Whisper of a Rose

Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Tue May 05, 2009 5:10 am

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19.99 USD

CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE - UNDER MAINTENANCE...

Journey through over 40 magical lands in the realm of dreams!

Follow the story of Melrose as she enters a magical world. Melrose is an introverted girl who seems to be only unlucky with life. Seeking happiness, she one day steals a gadget that draws her into a happy dreamworld.

But once she is there, the dreamworld is revealed to be a dangerous place instead. A mysterious fairy godmother appears and offers to help Melrose leave. Suddenly the fairy is kidnapped, and Melrose must set out on a journey to find her. This journey takes her from treetrop villages and magic castles to valentine towns and even underwater cities.

Whisper of a Rose is a unique and moving game. It features a strong cast of characters that will stay with you for years, and many clever puzzles and quests.

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Re: Whisper of a Rose

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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Tue May 05, 2009 4:35 pm

Looks good! Where do I download it?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Tue May 05, 2009 4:41 pm

Nevermind. I just seen it wasn't available yet.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Tue May 05, 2009 6:08 pm

I don't know what the creator is doing because he was supposed to come back with his game ready. I'm not seeing him on MSN yet today.

But I agree is game looks superb.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Tue May 05, 2009 11:32 pm

Darn. After getting home from work I thought the game would be ready. :(
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Tue May 05, 2009 11:41 pm

I really don't know what he is doing. He told me he would get the game ready 3 hours after messaging me, and it's 15 hours now :lol:
Well I will send email everyone once it's ready. :D I really look like a great game.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Kinta » Wed May 06, 2009 8:01 pm

The screenshots look really nice. Perhaps I try this one out.

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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu May 07, 2009 1:24 am

IT'S FINALLY RELEASED! :) :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Thu May 07, 2009 1:31 am

Yes!! Going to download it now! :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu May 07, 2009 2:38 am

Well, I hope to receive your feedbacks! Sadly I don't have very much time to play it myself :(
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby yoichi21 » Thu May 07, 2009 3:05 am

I like it. It's good design. :lol:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Thu May 07, 2009 3:13 pm

It's really good! Already stuck on how to use items though. Hope there's hints soon. lol
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby dc6289 » Thu May 07, 2009 4:17 pm

I like the game, but I'm stuck. I don't know how to distract the gaurd to get into idream.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Beeberman » Thu May 07, 2009 6:20 pm

wow this screens are amazing, ive never seen an rpgmaker game with such nice graphics.
its a pity that i havent enought time to play all the games i like to...
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby alundra » Fri May 08, 2009 7:33 am

can someone please tell me what problem is this and how fix it.

script 'font install' line 35:load error occurred

no such file to load --\program files\whisper of a rose\data\fileutiles.rb
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby moni » Fri May 08, 2009 8:04 am

Oh goody! Looks awesome! Damn, 30mins to download... Thanks for posting. WHoopie!!!
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby moni » Fri May 08, 2009 8:59 am

alundra wrote:can someone please tell me what problem is this and how fix it.

script 'font install' line 35:load error occurred

no such file to load --\program files\whisper of a rose\data\fileutiles.rb

yeah! wth? I got so excited and all...
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Fri May 08, 2009 9:45 am

Remember to ask support on the developer's website:

CREATOR'S WEBSITE

He will do his best to help you.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Fri May 08, 2009 4:43 pm

Elder wrote:Remember to ask support on the developer's website:

CREATOR'S WEBSITE

He will do his best to help you.

Right! He is really good at helping you. He also just announced a whole new revision to the game which slows down those darn guards in the museum! Kind of reminds me of when you slowed down those little monsters that chased us around those rocks in Eternal Eden Elder! :lol:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sun May 10, 2009 6:15 pm

Whisper of a Rose is a good game if you could play it for awhile. I feel like a beta tester. I thought this game was complete when I bought it. But everytime I turn around there is another patch or a whole reinstall to do. Right now I am waiting on another "big patch!" Just had to let out some steam!! :x
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 11, 2009 2:06 am

I was very lucky to have my beta testers for Eternal Eden, they really allowed me to reduce the number of bugs almost to the totality. Besides most new bugs that appeared was due to last minute changes I did before the release of the game, and if I haven't been starving to death during that time I would have replayed the game once more to be sure that none of them manifested At least Eternal Eden didn't have any critical bug and I could quicly fix them.

Hence the importance of beta testing and testers.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby selena » Mon May 11, 2009 4:00 am

wow, I like the graphic. :D It's looks like a great game. I'll play it! :mrgreen:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Mon May 11, 2009 1:10 pm

Elder wrote:I was very lucky to have my beta testers for Eternal Eden, they really allowed me to reduce the number of bugs almost to the totality. Besides most new bugs that appeared was due to last minute changes I did before the release of the game, and if I wasn't starving to death during that time I would have replayed the game once more to be sure that none of them manifest. At least Eternal Eden didn't have any critical bug and I could quicly fix them.

Hence the importance of beta testing and testers.

Right! I am a beta tester on another game site and they are very important. This is the first time that I bought a game first and then had to test it!! It's frustrating because you just want to play it. I really think he just needs to fix everything and re-release it. Its a wonderful concept and it would make a very good game, just not ready yet. :(
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 11, 2009 1:34 pm

From what I've heard all bugs are now fixed in Whisper of a Rose?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Mon May 11, 2009 3:09 pm

No. If you look at the forum over there far from it. He told me yesterday he has another big patch coming out. It was suppose to be ready yesterday. I hope he is working on it as usually he is in the forum by now but hasn't been yet. :(
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Tue May 12, 2009 9:28 pm

Is anyone else having problems getting on the creator's forum? He said that he was gonna have the patch out yesterday. I emailed him and haven't heard a response.
This is frustrating.


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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Zemba » Tue May 12, 2009 10:42 pm

It's been down all day long and is still down as I check.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Wed May 13, 2009 2:05 am

Looks like the forum is back up, but still waiting for a patch.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Wed May 13, 2009 5:16 am

I have to admit that the creator of Whisper of a Rose have heavy problems with his maintenance... but he will certainly improve :)
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Wed May 13, 2009 1:51 pm

I reinstalled the game with the new version 1.05 and started over once again and am now stuck in a corner at the beginning. He said another patch is coming out soon though :roll:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Wed May 13, 2009 3:17 pm

I d/loaded the 1.05 patch to eliminate a syntax error that I got after leaving the Lady bug area, and ended up on a map that was blackened...so that's where I'm stuck for now. :cry:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby selena » Thu May 14, 2009 7:23 am

I try to download the version 1.05 on the creator website, but I can get the link.
It just says mediafire and rapidshare but there are no link. :?:
can anyone share the link?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu May 14, 2009 7:27 am

Try the link on the first page of this thread, it should work.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby selena » Thu May 14, 2009 7:51 am

Elder wrote:Try the link on the first page of this thread, it should work.

I still can download the patch to ver1.05. I already have the game but ver1.03
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu May 14, 2009 8:53 am

selena wrote:
Elder wrote:Try the link on the first page of this thread, it should work.

I still can download the patch to ver1.05. I already have the game but ver1.03


Have you posted a message on the creator's forum?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Thu May 14, 2009 2:26 pm

It's been brought up, but they have yet to address it.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Thu May 14, 2009 3:09 pm

selena wrote:
Elder wrote:Try the link on the first page of this thread, it should work.

I still can download the patch to ver1.05. I already have the game but ver1.03

You may have to uninstall and reinstall.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Fri May 15, 2009 5:25 pm

1.06 is up at the forum. So far, so good... :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Fri May 15, 2009 5:28 pm

Then it's a great news! :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby pidpit » Sat May 16, 2009 5:14 am

pidpit wrote:1.06 is up at the forum. So far, so good... :D


Disregard...it's no longer there. I guess there still working on it. :?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Sat May 16, 2009 2:14 pm

The forums over there seem to be down this morning.

I was wondering if anyone's got a walk through worked up yet? I'm a bit lost and it's making game play kind of boring. Also does anyone know why the patches aren't downloadable? There seems to be a lot of glitches in this game. I go up stairs and get stuck in walls, for instance.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sat May 16, 2009 2:45 pm

The forum is up now. A walkthrough? I doubt it! When it was suggested that we have a map for the game we were told we could make one ourselves! :shock: I am just going to wait until the whole game is really finished before I play again. Before I ever buy another rpg again I will check the forum to make sure this doesn't happen again!! :x
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Sat May 16, 2009 3:11 pm

Well that's pretty shabby of him. He should've worked out all the bugs first and he should provide a walk through. I guess he's never heard of the words "customer service." If we're paying for the game, we should get treated better. I'd expect this from a freeware game, but not one I paid for.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sun May 17, 2009 2:14 pm

He just announced on the forum that patch 1.06 is delayed. Because of all the problems with the game they want to fix a lot more bugs. Amaranth games took it off their site due to all the problems with it. The excuse for the release early was numerous and none of them were very good. Wouldn't get paid if it wasn't released by a certain date, beta testers only tested for a week,and the one that really got me is the developer needed money for a school trip! I still think this will be an excellent game if it is done right and if I have to wait I will. I just hope the lesson was learned by this new company. I even offered to be a beta tester for them as I would give them honest feedback! ;)
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun May 17, 2009 3:36 pm

I just posted a new article on this subject.

http://www.blossomsoft.com/gamezopher/
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sun May 17, 2009 4:50 pm

VERY good article Elder! I hope every developer and potential developers of these sort of games will read it. It can made you wary of buying a game from a new company until you see what others thought of it after they played it awhile. From now on I will wait to purchase a game until I have read their forum. Except for yours of course! :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Sun May 17, 2009 10:47 pm

Elder wrote:I just posted a new article on this subject.

http://www.blossomsoft.com/gamezopher/

Eh. People, glass houses, stones, etc...

The Vista incompatibility bug for Eternal Eden (which was fatal since it prevented the game from being played) that you didn't know about because you didn't test it on Vista (which was the current shipping OS for Windows based systems when EE was released) was a fairly major mistake as well.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Zemba » Sun May 17, 2009 10:59 pm

I do believe one major bug is not the same as loads of minor/major/whatever ones.
As much as I sympatize with Arend-Jan, the betatesting work was simply (and unfortunately) skipped on Whisper.
He has my support on his upcoming versions though. ;)
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 18, 2009 12:31 am

Paralel wrote:
Elder wrote:I just posted a new article on this subject.

http://www.blossomsoft.com/gamezopher/

Eh. People, glass houses, stones, etc...

The Vista incompatibility bug for Eternal Eden (which was fatal since it prevented the game from being played) that you didn't know about because you didn't test it on Vista (which was the current shipping OS for Windows based systems when EE was released) was a fairly major mistake as well.


Hey Parallel! :)

The fact is a little wrong here, Eternal Eden was fully tested under Windows XP and Windows Vista during the development. This bug was very subtle and couldn't be perceived before a special circumstance was met (it's to say that I couldn't know it before it was sold). The bug is a conflict between Windows Vista and the DRM wrapping, not Windows Vista alone. I've even made a fan release to test the selling phase, and this bug went undetected. Let's note that this bug wasn't occuring to everyone using Vista, me included. So it made it thorny to detect before sales. As an alternative, a compatible version (without the DRM wrapping) was shipped to people running Vista, thus no one was offended as the problem was immediately resolved when support was asked. I think 99% of the customers were satisfied with the customer service, even with the Vista Crash included. Since the beginning I received only two major complaints (one of them is a member that wrote a review on gamespot.com)

Anyway, I'm not trying to level myself above any other developer, I hope I’m not giving this impression… I'm not throwing stones at anyone, I'm just trying to inform future developers of the gravity of this situation as many tend to skip the beta testing phase because they think it's not so important. I’m regularly chatting with many new developers and I can confirm that they don’t see the interest of beta-testing when I try to persuade them to take more time before releasing their game. Beta testing is when a product is finished and is being tested as a final step before release.

If you remember well, Eternal Eden was finished during September, but was delayed until december to make sure it would be as clean as possible.

As I said, unexpected bugs can happen, no one can foretell every one of them, but a distinction must be done between someone who completely skipped the beta testing phase and someone who just couldn't see a bug because it was out of sight.

Aveyond and 3 Stars of Destiny are two examples of games that have been tested properly before being released. They weren't totally bug-free, but they could be played.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Mon May 18, 2009 1:00 am

Paralel wrote:
Elder wrote:I just posted a new article on this subject.

http://www.blossomsoft.com/gamezopher/

Eh. People, glass houses, stones, etc...

The Vista incompatibility bug for Eternal Eden (which was fatal since it prevented the game from being played) that you didn't know about because you didn't test it on Vista (which was the current shipping OS for Windows based systems when EE was released) was a fairly major mistake as well.


BIG difference. There's a lot of cut scenes that were not put in before release. There's tons of minor bugs - like I'll go up the stairs and find myself stuck in a wall and in one case, did manage to get upstairs, went downstairs and found myself in a completely different house. Also the fact he seems to refuse to put out a walk through. I'm sorry but he's the developer. He could easily give us even just a very basic walk through of where to go and in what order to do things. Who better? That's just poor customer service. None of the patches are currently downloadable and there's no explanation why.

With EE if there's a problem Elder is right on top of it trying to make people happy. This guy doesn't seem to care about anything then putting the game out as quickly as possible to get money. At least, that's how it seems since he was willing to release an obviously unfinished and untested game.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Mon May 18, 2009 1:36 pm

I too think there is a big difference between a bug here and there to a game fully loaded with them. I bought this game in good faith and have not been able to play it long enough to enjoy it. I feel I have every right to express how I feel about it as it was my hard earned money.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Mon May 18, 2009 4:08 pm

Elder wrote:
Paralel wrote:
Elder wrote:I just posted a new article on this subject.

http://www.blossomsoft.com/gamezopher/

Eh. People, glass houses, stones, etc...

The Vista incompatibility bug for Eternal Eden (which was fatal since it prevented the game from being played) that you didn't know about because you didn't test it on Vista (which was the current shipping OS for Windows based systems when EE was released) was a fairly major mistake as well.


Hey Parallel! :)

The fact is a little wrong here, Eternal Eden was fully tested under Windows XP and Windows Vista during the development. This bug was very subtle and couldn't be perceived before a special circumstance was met (it's to say that I couldn't know it before it was sold). The bug is a conflict between Windows Vista and the DRM wrapping, not Windows Vista alone. I've even made a fan release to test the selling phase, and this bug went undetected. Let's note that this bug wasn't occuring to everyone using Vista, me included. So it made it thorny to detect before sales. As an alternative, a compatible version (without the DRM wrapping) was shipped to people running Vista, thus no one was offended as the problem was immediately resolved when support was asked. I think 99% of the customers were satisfied with the customer service, even with the Vista Crash included. Since the beginning I received only two major complaints (one of them is a member that wrote a review on gamespot.com)

Anyway, I'm not trying to level myself above any other developer, I hope I’m not giving this impression… I'm not throwing stones at anyone, I'm just trying to inform future developers of the gravity of this situation as many tend to skip the beta testing phase because they think it's not so important. I’m regularly chatting with many new developers and I can confirm that they don’t see the interest of beta-testing when I try to persuade them to take more time before releasing their game. Beta testing is when a product is finished and is being tested as a final step before release.

If you remember well, Eternal Eden was finished during September, but was delayed until december to make sure it would be as clean as possible.

As I said, unexpected bugs can happen, no one can foretell every one of them, but a distinction must be done between someone who completely skipped the beta testing phase and someone who just couldn't see a bug because it was out of sight.

Aveyond and 3 Stars of Destiny are two examples of games that have been tested properly before being released. They weren't totally bug-free, but they could be played.

Not beta testing is unacceptable. Anyone that thinks not beta testing is acceptable either has no understanding of software development or just shouldn't be developing software in the first place. That can only be described as a lack of a fundamental understanding of how software is created. If I found out a buggy piece of software had no beta testing I would be doing a chargeback to my credit card and starting a dontbuythisproduct.com website and blog.

As far as Aveyond being ready before being released I would have to disagree. Version A, the very first version which was released to game portals, had terribly holes in it's story, incomplete dialogue, and several game breaking bugs related to the various modes of locomotion and environments. I got 1/2 way through Version A of Aveyond and actually uninstalled the game because I thought it totally sucked. Version B fixed nearly all of those problems and could actually be considered a complete and playable version of the game.

What can I say? I'm a harsh, but I believe fair, critic.

As far as EE is concerned, and the size of the team involved, all the bugs were handled very well. I think the handling of bugs for EE should be a case example for all other small developers of how it should be done.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Zemba » Mon May 18, 2009 4:54 pm

Both my games had no bug at all when released. :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 18, 2009 6:04 pm

Anyway, Whisper of a Rose is AJ's first experience, I hope he will overcome this situation without too much pain. I especially hope he's doing well, we never know how a young teenager can feel psychologically in a situation like this... Let's remind ourselves that mistakes can happen, especially for a 18 years old teenager. He had courage to develop and sell a game, now let's pray experience will guide him in a better direction. If he keep making games with his brilliant imagination, he will become a great game designer when he get older.

I think AJ can need words of encouragement on his forum, and know that we all want to play his game and wait until it's done.

Zemba wrote:Both my games had no bug at all when released. :D


Then it means that you're our RPG guru! :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Zemba » Mon May 18, 2009 6:11 pm

No, no, I'm far from being perfect.... but beta-testing is something I approach with extreme care. That doesn't prevent making mistakes but at least you are sure to give your best.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 18, 2009 6:13 pm

Zemba wrote:No, no, I'm far from being perfect.... but beta-testing is something I approach with extreme care. That doesn't prevent making mistakes but at least you are sure to give your best.


Stop being humble Zemba you are perfect! :lol: But just a degree under my perfection 8-)
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Zemba » Mon May 18, 2009 6:34 pm

XD

Perfectly over-the-top, yeah. :mrgreen:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Mon May 18, 2009 8:36 pm

What upsets me is his kind of "do it yourself" attitude in regards to maps and walk throughs. This is called poor customer service.

And frankly, I'm not cutting him any slack for "being only 18." Even a 13 year old knows better. If only from the experiences of playing with buggy games themselves.

I don't know if any of you remember this, but not long after the release of the first LOTR movie Nintendo released a "Fellowship" game for Nintendo SP. The problem was they didn't do a very good job and every single copy of the game that went out had a major bug to where you could not play the game once you got to Mount Moria. Loads of people were upset. Some had found that they could beat the bug with a Gameshark but the code did not work for all.

He's old enough to have been around for that experience and had to have heard about it if not had it himself. Which should've taught him that you need to test and retest your games before releasing them, even if it means being late in turning them out.

It's sad because this has the potential to be a really fun game. But by rights it shouldn't have been released until it was well and truly finished. And at the very least he could offer either a partial refund or a couple good for half off his next release.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon May 18, 2009 9:42 pm

I have posted on his forum (under blackthirteen's username):

http://www.roseportalgames.com/phpBB3/v ... p=877#p877

I know how frustrating this can be, but let's try to be patient as allow Arend-Jan some time to fix the problems. He is certainly as disapointed as everyone about the circumstances.

JamiSings wrote:What upsets me is his kind of "do it yourself" attitude in regards to maps and walk throughs. This is called poor customer service.


Even if I helped with the maps of Eternal Eden, most of them has been created by fans. I don't know about his attitude though, there is a always a polite way to say "sorry, but we don't have any maps ready yet, but we're hoping that dedicated fans will help us to provide them."
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Mon May 18, 2009 10:47 pm

Elder wrote:Even if I helped with the maps of Eternal Eden, most of them has been created by fans. I don't know about his attitude though, there is a always a polite way to say "sorry, but we don't have any maps ready yet, but we're hoping that dedicated fans will help us to provide them."


But being the one who made EE, you know in which order things need to be done. And that at the very least he could give us. Like "Find the butterfly queen first before you go to Valentown" or what have you.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Thu May 21, 2009 2:04 pm

I normally do not post after myself, but since I am looking for help and don't know how long it'll take for someone to notice an edit.... and I can't seem to get help over on Rose Portal. Probably because every time one goes to post a reply you get a screen that says "fatal error." (Though my posts still go through.)

I decided to play as much of the game as I can. Mainly finishing up the Sweet Tower quest then holding off until the new version is released for the rest. However I don't know what to do in the tower.

There's torches that I lit, but that didn't seem to do anything. There's a boulder you can push through the holes but you can't get it to the floor you first enter on because the floor above it does not have a hole, just a crack you cannot make bigger as far as I can tell. There's gates I cannot open no matter how many times I hit the switch.

Basically, what the heck do I do to proceed?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sat May 23, 2009 1:36 pm

Hello JamiSings, I doubt you will receive support on this forum as there are not enough people that played Whisper of a Rose. The best place for hints is definitely RosePortal.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sat May 23, 2009 2:20 pm

If you can get on the forum! I keep getting web page not found when I try to get on the site. I hope this is just a temporary thing!
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Sat May 23, 2009 2:45 pm

Elder wrote:Hello JamiSings, I doubt you will receive support on this forum as there are not enough people that played Whisper of a Rose. The best place for hints is definitely RosePortal.


As I said, I'm not getting help over there. Every time I go to post something I get a "fatal error" message. So right now no one's posting diddly squat. I figured some of us who have the game must be here.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sat May 23, 2009 3:13 pm

Strangely enough, I've only sold 3 copies of Whisper of a Rose via this forum... That's why I didn't expect many members to have played this game here. I sold many more copies 3 Stars of Destiny, even Dark Souls sold better for me.

That's sad but at least you still can count on Amaranth Games, Aldorlea and Blossomsoft to receive proper support when our next games will be released.

Have you tried Dark Souls? I haven't heard bad stories from this recent development, and many people seemed to love this game even if it wasn't as 'friendly' as other RPGs.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby kath427 » Sat May 23, 2009 11:21 pm

Right now I am playing Laxius Force. Love it! And NO problems!
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby JamiSings » Sun May 24, 2009 12:54 am

No I haven't tried DS yet. I might later on. Or 3 Stars.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun May 24, 2009 1:19 am

3 Stars of Destiny is pretty popular and well loved.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby roseacoco » Fri May 29, 2009 11:16 am

hey, could someone tell me when the next update is over? 'cos ive tried the demo, and its really good, and I would like to buy it asap ! :D
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby aislingyngaio » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:06 pm

Anyone knows what happened to Rose Portal Games? The site just... vanished :shock:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:10 pm

aislingyngaio wrote:Anyone knows what happened to Rose Portal Games? The site just... vanished :shock:


It vanished some time ago. It's hard to say if it's going to be released or not. The last time I talked with the responsible (1 month ago?) he seemed to say his game would be released during august.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:17 pm

It almost seems like some kind of scam at this point...
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby windbneathwings » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:35 am

Paralel wrote:It almost seems like some kind of scam at this point...


it does not "seem" to be some kind of scam, it IS a scam. (but if you guys got refund back after asking for it, then it isn't. and, by the way, has anyone ever asked?)

after faithfully waited for the fix(es) to be released from the creator, the website/forum just...you know...died on me. i don't care about the waiting period that we have so that the creator needed in order to fix the game, but--once in a while--the update would be nice. but the update pretty much stopped in the middle of june and followed by the forum being not found. right now i have half a mind whether or not to uninstall the game since i do not want to keep the unused game on my computer.

to tell you the truth, at this point i kind of lose faith in the indie rpg games that keep popping up. now i have aveyond 3.1-2 and i don't even want to finish this game (partly because the start of the school year) and i used to be rpg enthusiast.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby IkimashoZ » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:19 pm

You'd like that the creator would at least be so kind as to tell the people who bought his broken software what the deal was. It's really too bad. The screenshots for the game are visually stunning. What happens when you try to run the game? Does it do anything?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby windbneathwings » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:54 pm

IkimashoZ wrote:You'd like that the creator would at least be so kind as to tell the people who bought his broken software what the deal was. It's really too bad. The screenshots for the game are visually stunning. What happens when you try to run the game? Does it do anything?


ran the game, found lots of glitches that got me stuck and can only be solved by restarting from save point. finished the "love tower" quest and waiting for patch for the valentown sidequest and the fix for very, very low attack point and hard leveling up because beyond this point it would be too painful for me to continue the quest with this kind of problems.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby IkimashoZ » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:06 pm

Huh. Well, maybe the creator suddenly contracted a terrible illness and let the game and site go...? I can't imagine going to the trouble of creating such a game, and getting it that close to complete and then just abandoning it.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:45 pm

According to the creator Whisper of a Rose will be released during December to take advantage of the christmas rush.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby windbneathwings » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:34 am

an updates directly from creator would be nice.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:38 pm

Elder wrote:According to the creator Whisper of a Rose will be released during December to take advantage of the christmas rush.

What about the people that have already purchased a broken game?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:46 pm

Paralel wrote:
Elder wrote:According to the creator Whisper of a Rose will be released during December to take advantage of the christmas rush.

What about the people that have already purchased a broken game?


Yes I know… it's a shame and it’s disrespectful to people who have purchased the game.

This kind of story is the reason why I’ve decided to remove affiliate games from my website recently. Some people thought Whisper of a Rose was made by me and since Rose Portal website is down they emailed me with complaints.

When Soleyu RPG Channel will be online every games will be tested before being announced.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:52 pm

I don't like seeing people get screwed, so I'm going to do something about it.

The link below is for the source files I unpacked from "Whisper of a Rose", this will allow anyone that has paid for the game to alter it so the bugs can be bypassed. In order to alter the game you will need to use RPG Maker XP, you can download a demo of it for free.

[Hyperlink removed - PM me if you want it]

If you don't know anything about scripting, etc... you may find RPG Maker XP difficult to work with at first, but if you give yourself a little time the learning curve isn't too steep.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:24 pm

Hey Paralel, I agree with your opinion, it’s a shame that so many people got screwed but I was forced to remove your hyperlink to avoid trouble, I don't wish someone else willing to take legal actions against me haha :twisted:
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Mizzou » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:11 pm

Elder wrote:According to the creator Whisper of a Rose will be released during December to take advantage of the christmas rush.


Thanks for the update, Elder. I just wish it had come directly from the maker of the game. With the lack of updates from the maker and the game's website down, it seemed like it just disappeared and was never coming out. As someone who has purchased the game, I find it very disrespectful that he's waiting until December (obviously for the money) and not taking care of his existing customers. One thing that I like about Blossomsoft and several other indie game makers that I've purchased games from, and have since become a loyal customer to, is the good customer service that they have provided when there have been problems. RosePortal hasn't been one of them.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:23 pm

Elder wrote:Hey Paralel, I agree with your opinion, it’s a shame that so many people got screwed but I was forced to remove your hyperlink to avoid trouble, I don't wish someone else willing to take legal actions against me haha :twisted:

That's understandable and reasonable, anyone that wants the link can PM me for it.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby webgrunt » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:08 pm

The people who purchased this game and did not get refunds were victims of theft by fraud. That's a pretty strong accusation I know, but I saw the evidence with my own eyes.

I was one of the first people who purchased this game back in early May, and I have pieced together the following by extracting the game contents and examining them with the program with which it was created (RPG Maker XP)

The game wasn't anywhere near finished when it was released. It had some game-breaking bugs, but they fixed the first few, however, fairly early in the game, there was one that they claimed they were unable to fix (though it took me two seconds to fix it with RPG maker). It was obvious that AJ (Arend-Jan, the creator of the game) put that bug in intentionally in order to hide the fact that there really wasn't anything after that point--Whisper of a Rose was released as a full game, but it was really only the beginning of an unfinished game. I reported this on their message board, and their response was to accuse me of "hacking the game" as though I had done something wrong. Excuse me, but if I buy something and it doesn't work, I think I have the right to take it apart to see why it isn't working. And of course I only accessed my copy--I didn't change anyone else's copy of the game and wouldn't be able to if I tried.

Other people had examined the game and mentioned this on AJ's web site, roseportalgames.com. Those posts were deleted. AJ blamed the "bugs" on "beta testers who were more interested in getting an early version of the game than testing for bugs" which makes no sense, because why would they approve an unplayable game either way?

I requested a refund and immediately received a response from him, "Refund Granted!" However, he did not refund my money. I wrote him several emails over the next week asking why, and he didn't respond--but he had plenty of time to post messages on the chat board, so I know it wasn't that he was too busy or unable to get online. Finally, I contacted Plimus (the company I purchased it through) and explained that I had never received the refund he said he granted me, and they refunded my money.

At one point, AJ actually admitted that he thought there "might be a few bugs" but released the game anyway because he needed the money for a field trip for school.

At first, AJ used "taking my finals" as an excuse for not "fixing the bugs." After finals were over and people started getting eager to continue their game, AJ then started saying he was taking extra time to revamp the game and make improvements. After about a month of saying the release would be "soon" and the bugs were not fixed, I noticed that he was still selling the game as a finished, working game. I pointed this out and accused him of fraud. His answer was that every software company released programs that have bugs. I replied that I knew the game wasn't finished because I and others had examined it, and that if he didn't stop selling the game, I was going to turn my evidence (screenshots of what I found when I examined the game) over to Plimus. He agreed to stop selling the game and he stopped selling it from his site.

However, six weeks after that, I noticed that new people kept coming into the Rose Portal message board and asking about the "bug" that stopped everyone from progressing in the game. I asked Arend-Jan how this could be, and he said that resellers were still selling his game. Apparently, he didn't feel it necessary to tell them to stop selling a broken and unfinished game as long as he had money coming in. I had already notified Blossomsoft, and they stopped selling the game immediately, but other companies were still selling it, and AJ kept stringing them along, more and more people massing their 30-day window in which they could obtain a refund.

At one point, I asked him on the message board if the game was likely to be finished in six weeks. He said that sounded right. Soon after that, he said that the beta testing of the game was completed. I waited until exactly twelve weeks after he agreed that it should be finished in six weeks, quoted his message, and asked him what the delay was about. I was gentle and respectful, because I wanted to give him every possible chance to prove me wrong about him being a fraud and a thief. I really wanted to believe he was a good kid who made a mistake but was doing his best to fix it. He didn't answer, and very shortly after that, he took down the Rose Portal games site.

To me, the evidence that AJ knowingly sold a broken, unfinished game as a fully working product is irrefutable. However, a lot of people sided with AJ, believing him to be a good kid at heart (He's only 18 years old) and they liked him for producing such a great partially-finished game and didn't want to upset him in case he decided not to finish it--which I do understand, as the little bit he did finish is one of the best FF-style games I've ever played (and I've played a lot of great ones.) I consider him to be a master storyteller, perhaps even a prodigy, but I realize that having extraordinary talent doesn't mean you're immune to laziness, greed and dishonesty. You can be a great artist and a huge jerk at the same time. Talent doesn't make people honest. However, he has a good deal of charm, even through a chat board, and people tend to trust him in spite of all evidence that they shouldn't.

AJ had to know when he released the game that only a small part of it had been coded and the rest was simply not there. There's no possible way a programmer could be unaware that his game was mostly unfinished. Yet he released it for sale and continued to sell it even on his main site until I called him out on it, continually denied that it was unfinished, kept telling people it would be "fixed soon", at one point even said beta testing on the new release was complete, and he never told the resellers to stop selling it--for all I know, some of them still are.

Now he's saying he's going to wait until December to release it?? What about all the people who bought it back in May and have been waiting all this time for a playable release?

I will never buy another of Arend-Jan's products until it's been out for a few months and even then I will only buy through Blossomsoft, because Blossomsoft has the integrity to stop selling games the instant they find out the games have serious problems.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby webgrunt » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:14 pm

Elder wrote:According to the creator Whisper of a Rose will be released during December to take advantage of the christmas rush.

I hope that it will be fully play-tested before release. I know it's impossibly time-consuming to do this with every game, but I'd imagine you'd want to, after what happened to the people who purchased Whisper of a Rose and didn't request refunds in time to qualify for them. At the very least, you could ask him to guarantee that he has personally verified that the game is completely playable and free from any game-killing bugs.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby webgrunt » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:21 pm

kath427 wrote:Right now I am playing Laxius Force. Love it! And NO problems!

Agreed. Laxius Force II is the same (bug free)--and it's HUGE. I've been playing for a week at least and I'm still not finished. Andorlea puts out quality, first-class RPGs. Their customer service is great as well!
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:50 pm

Actually, Laxius Force II, before version 1.6, had some fairly serious bugs. However, it only impacted a small number of individuals and was promptly fixed by the creator. That's how it should be handled. Bugs are to be expected, especially when software is written by a very small company or a single individual, but as is the case for EE, Aveyond, Laxius, etc... they are all dealt with in a timely and professional manner. This is what is expected with regard to customer service, and in the cases of the aforementioned companies, is delivered.

The creator of WoaR is obviously nothing more than a charlatan. Anyone that couldn't get a refund through their usual channels should contact their state Attorney General, the Better Business Bureau, their credit card company or bank (depending on how they paid for it), as well as the US Dept. of Justice and file formal complaints. This is a serious matter, he violated federal laws (as it involves interstate commerce), and very easily crossed into the territory of criminal misconduct, as he willfully misrepresented what he sold as a feature complete product when it can be easily proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't and he knew it. Since it involved the exchange of monies it is wire fraud, deceptive and misleading statements with the intent to defraud, etc... just to name a few. If people wanted to push the issue he could be in very deep civil and criminal trouble at the federal and state levels.

If he was smart he would refund everyone's monies, and if he can't, move to another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US as any number of angry people could make this a serious issue which could destroy him financially and socially as being a felon tends to close most doors for employment and usually makes one a pariah, not to mention the difficulty ofin repaying any sizable financial settlement against him. Being 18 I doubt he had any idea how serious this all could be and that it could destroy the rest of his life, but as the old saying goes, ignorance is not a defense under the law. Personally, I hope they hold his feet to the coals for the damage this has done to the independent game developing community at large.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:00 pm

I agree that this whole story sounds like a fraud, but let’s not take legal actions against him. It represents 20 bucks from your personal pocket, it’s frustrating yes, but it doesn’t worth the desire to ruin his life or send him to jail. Boycott his product, it’s a balanced measure. I’m not trying to protect crimes, but we’ve all been 18 sometime in our life (or you will be) and we’ve all committed immature mistakes to some extends. Punishment isn’t always the best form of teaching. If he’s mature enough he will make things better next time, but of course if he willingly persists to repeat this kind of bad practices then I agree that you must stop him.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Note: besides I have removed all affialiate games from Blossomsoft because of this type of issues.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Paralel » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:00 am

I have to disagree with you, Elder. Any 18 year old, unless mentally impaired, knows that fraud is wrong. He did it willfully, and he continued to lie to everyone to cover up his fraudulent behavior. He knew what he was doing was wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to cover it up by lying. He should be made to answer for his crimes and I hope someone will pursue it to the full extent of the law.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:08 am

I admit that making apologies on his website or a solid word of explanation would have been a first big step for Arend-Jen.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby webgrunt » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:24 pm

Paralel wrote:I have to disagree with you, Elder. Any 18 year old, unless mentally impaired, knows that fraud is wrong. He did it willfully, and he continued to lie to everyone to cover up his fraudulent behavior. He knew what he was doing was wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to cover it up by lying. He should be made to answer for his crimes and I hope someone will pursue it to the full extent of the law.

I agree, and AJ had many opportunities to correct his mistake. I wouldn't advocate sending him to prison for making one mistake, but the fact that he continued to sell the game for months after it was obvious it didn't work seems to indicate that he felt no remorse about taking people's money under false pretenses. If he had at any point come clean and admitted his "mistake", I would have been the first to forgive him and encourage him to try again. Though the law would probably not be so forgiving, considering what he did appears to be a pretty clear case of international fraud.

And I'm still not saying AJ should go to prison. He should have to refund everyone, plus interest, plus pay a fine, and have a period of probation. I think you would agree that's only fair. If he does it a second time, then maybe some time in jail would be called for, but when you're that young and it's your first offense, just restitution and a token fine should be enough. Hopefully he's learned his lesson and won't repeat the mistake. Man, could he make a lot of money by putting out completed games. His talent is outstanding.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby DaveGilbert » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:26 pm

Hi everyone! Finally came out of lurker mode.

This WoaR issue is one that has bothered me for awhile. I was one of the lucky ones. I was impressed enough by the game that I asked AJ to be a beta tester in exchange for a refund. He did so, but then dropped off the map before I could test out a new version of the game.

Like Elder and others here, I am a game developer myself. And as a game developer, I know the bitter "D'oh!" feeling of accidentally releasing a game with bugs in it. Most indie game customers understand that the games are made by just one person, and are willing to put up with a few rough edges provided that the developer is willing to make amends and fix them. When I released my last game, the webstore was sending out corrupted versions of the gamefile to all the customers and I spent two days straight trying to sort what was wrong. I made sure that the customers were aware that I was on top of the problem and that I was working really hard to fix it. The result? The customers were extremely supportive and even sent me very encouraging messages during the process. It's times like that which make being an indie developer so rewarding.

But... A.J. of RosePortal did none of that. He issued no apology, no statement, not even a "please stand by." He just let the weeks tick by with no word. But even STILL, the customers on his forum were supportive and willing to wait. Even your posts, Webgrunt, were extremely supportive. The outpouring of support on the RosePortal forum blew my mind. But now that he's nabbed the money and disappeared into the virtual ether, it's hard to give him that same support, regardless of how potentially awesome his game might have been.

At least, this whole debacle teaches all of us a lesson. In a don't-do-what-that-guy-did kind of way.

Anyway, sorry to come to this thread so late. I've had mixed feelings about this issue for a while and this seemed like a good place to vent them. Nice place you've got here, Elder. :)

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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:10 pm

Hey Dave!

Thank you very much for registering and thank you for the insights :D

Everyone, visit Dave's website because he's making great games :)
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby webgrunt » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:39 pm

Well said, Dave, and thank you.
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby Elder » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:15 pm

So do you believe indy developers should boycott his game?

For example do you believe that if Amanda decide to sell his game on Amaranth Games during the christmas rush could be an offense to customers that already bought the game?

What is your opinion?
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Re: Whisper of a Rose

Postby aislingyngaio » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:31 am

I think she should smack his head multiple times and extract an iron clad non-disappearance promise from him before ever considering to sell his games again :3 However deserving everyone is of a second chance, he should acknowledge he did wrong and take steps to not do so again, and its the responsibility of the entire indie community to weed out black sheeps.
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